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The article: MI5 knew we were torturing British terror suspects, claim Pakistan agents
One Pakistani agent is quoted as saying: ‘Of course they [the British] knew that we were beating them up, hanging them upside down and whipping them. That’s what we do.’
It is also important to recognise that these people are suspects, convicted of nothing, charged with nothing. One particular suspect Binyam Mohamed is being released from Guantanamo Bay and sent back to Britain where he previously sought asylum. Given the fact that he says he has been 'beaten, chained, deprived of sleep and had his genitals cut with a razor' yet has not been charged with anything, suggests that a, he is innocent and b, torture is not an effective process.
But since when of the Mail commentators let facts get in the way of a good rant against foreigners? Again they come out in support of terror as a tactic (naturally they assume that the suspects are all actual proven terrorists) and are angry that we are even caring about the fate of Binyam Mohamed as he is 'not even British'.
The argument that torturing other human beings is fine if it is trying to protect our own country is false because these people are suspects, and very few if any of them will ever be charged. As we are given no information about what it is that makes them suspects, we cannot condone torture as a method of acquiring information. The second argument that as he is not British he is not our problem, and actually getting angry about 'do-gooders' such as Human Rights Watch for caring about these people, is simply vile. Mail readers on the subject of torture show a complete lack of basic humanity.
It is deeply ironic that they often accuse New Labour of being 'communist' and like 'Nazis', yet they themselves regularly support arrest and torture without evidence; hypocrisy thy name is Mail reader.
The comments:
If the British were not doing the business what is the problem ?.
The questioning possibly saved many Westerners lives one way or the other. Why the do gooders keep stirring up trouble heaven only knows.
Human Rights Watch, Liberty and all these other interferring groups need to let go and remember the security of this country and its people takes precedence over anything. So the questioning of possible terrorist subjects is par for the course by whoever.
- Pip Waller, North Yorkshire, 21/2/2009 22:35
In fairness, to present some balance, not all comments condone torture, or focus on the Britishness of the suspect. However, the other comments rather than simply point out that terror is bad, they revel in being able to blame New Labour it, and as they are slating New Labour the comments are also rated green.
This shows the stupidity of those commenting and rating the comments: torture = good = green rating; New Labour torturing = evil terrible New Labour = green rating. Clearly you can support terror and disapprove of New Labour torturing at the same time.
Update: even though we torture them, we're still too soft on them!
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I feel so sorry when I see terrorists and drug addicts being given compensation and asylum in uk saying their human rights have been violated. What about the human rights of others they violate and tax burden on the honest taxpayers like myself. Honest law abiding citizens of countries like Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq etc are too scared to raise voice against them for the fear of being liquidated. Terrorists, drug and human traffikers deserve not only torture but also property confiscation and death penalty. When they do not care about us , why are we supposed to care and pay for their human rights. European Human right laws need to be amended disqualify any one with terrorist , drug , people smuggling etc from human rights compensation
- sam, london uk, 21/2/2009 22:47
please can you not keep saying british terror suspect, this man is not and will never ever be british
- liz, london, 22/2/2009 0:14
Ho hes British now, is that because he intends to sue or because he was caught and found out that not all countries are not as soft as we are
Who cares!
- Steve, Bedford, 22/2/2009 0:44
These claims come from someone who has suspicious status as a UK residdent, and also someone who is prepared to slang allegations against the UK and US to help his compensation claims. These allegation should be an important part of the reason he is not allowed into the UK, and paid compensation funded by citizens living in the UK and who are sick of the Governments limp handed dealing with terror suspects and laws passed by European Human Rights and Civil Liberties people.
- KeithW, Merseyside UK, 22/2/2009 0:51
So what?
- Jacqui, London England, 22/2/2009 0:58
And?
- MACD., UK, 22/2/2009 1:33
He is Ethiopian. He left and made it to London where he lived and applied for asylum. Instead of waiting, as he was supposed to, to see outcome of his claim he ambled off to Pakistan where he was arrested by Americans. he had given up on HIS residency.
I fail to see why Ethiopia did not represent him in prison.
Britain did not have to be involved.
How long before he sues if we give in to this man?
He should have stayed in Britain to pursue resiency.
What was his reason (treason?) for being in Pakistan at his own expense.
- John McCorquodale, Fort Erie. Canada, 22/2/2009 1:34
I personally don't have a problem with torturing terrorists when vital information is needed to stop those cowards from harming innocent civilians,
- NATHAN, Upper Sandusky,Ohio,USA, 22/2/2009 1:44
How on earth can this Ethiopian be described be described as "coming home"to Britain.Why is there such great emphasis on his supposed ill-treatment in custody but little on where and why he was apprehended in the first place.No doubt once he arrives in the U.K. the human rights industry will ensure he remains in the country at whatever cost to the public purse.If only the same attention and proportionate expenditure was spent on British troops risking their lives in Afghaniistan trying to make the world a safer place.
- Jim Wroe, Claremorris,Ireland., 22/2/2009 2:54
Would you mind refraining from describing this character as "British". He is Ethopian. As for living in Britain, why did he leave Britain to live in Pakistan and Afghanistan? What are the British authorities doing rushing to protect such individuals? He and his ilk should be returned to where they were picked up. And by no stretch of the imagination was that Britain!
- js, Glasgow, 22/2/2009 3:25
You are torturing me by putting Binyam Mohamed's face repeatedly before me on this site. Stop it immediately!!!
He should be sent back to the place he came from. Clearly his country of origin have not been looking after his interests. I am certainly not interesrted in his circumstance or his fate.
- Harry Charlton, Brisbane Australia, 22/2/2009 3:42
Here we go again...........
He's NOT BRITISH !
- Michael, Yorksire, ENGLAND, 22/2/2009 5:19
i am bored with this subject move on
- simon donovan, midsomer norton. uk, 22/2/2009 5:46
Please stop going on about "British" terror suspects. This bloke is no more British than the man in the moon and I resent any of our tax-payers money being spent on him. If he needs help in getting out of the clutches of the US then why don't Ethiopia or Pakistan do something?
- Tasha, France, 22/2/2009 6:37
He's not our problem. Just remove his right to residence before he gets here, then all the real problems start.
This man was acting in a manner which was incompatible with his terms of residence. It really is that simple. The only people wanting him here are lawyers that will be on a Multi-Million pound campaign for the next decade or two.
- mike, London, 22/2/2009 7:12
So what!
After the horror of 9/11 who would want that to have happened to London?
They did what they needed too to get quick results.
Imagine if London had been hit the reaction if those in the "know" had not been interogated.
- roy race, bratislava, 22/2/2009 7:20
this person is not British, in fact he has committed a criminal offence, against the laws of the UK, by entering the country on a false passport, so wil he now be prosecuted and deported as a failed asylum seeker, I can dream can´t I.
- Bryan Caffyn ex pat, Mazarron, Spain, 22/2/2009 7:45
I'm sorry, I have zero sympathy.
- Paula, Bolton, 22/2/2009 7:50
This gentleman should not be returned.
- alastair, stourbridge, 22/2/2009 7:57
Yes..............and? Why is this a British problem? An illegal immigrant on a false passport in a war zone?
- Andy L, St Helens, Lancs, UK, 22/2/2009 8:29
Who cares.
- Rollo Tomasi, Bangkok, Thailand., 22/2/2009 8:36
So!!!!
- Dean, Blackburn, England, 22/2/2009 8:43/blockquote>