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Never mind that he's dead, he was GAY for god's sake PDF Print E-mail
Written by Uponnothing   
Tuesday, 06 October 2009 19:46

Daily Mail comments, always a hotbed for homophobia no matter what the circumstances, have today really excelled in tastelessly pointing out that gays cannot possibly marry: 'Revealed: The lonely life of Matt Lucas's ex-husband who killed himself because he never got over their divorce'. Of course, Mail readers want to offer their sympathies, but at the same time they want to point out the horror that a gay can be referred to as a husband:


Homophobia
Homophobia
Homophobia
Homophobia

I do wish all these utter shit-stains would at least be honest and cut out the 'I don't mean to offend anyone...' disclaimers and just get on with the offensive comment. Credit where it is due though, at least the comments are all highly in the red.

Last Updated on Tuesday, 06 October 2009 20:12
 
Comments (6)
6 Friday, 09 October 2009 00:13
... to say it could have passed easily is perhaps a bit much. Who would have known at the time if Britain would end up like Spain or California? I'm not saying that a bill for same-sex marriage couldn't have passed, just that it would have been a gamble.

Putting that aside, I thought that it might be of interest to look at the MPs who opposed the bill being discussed http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2004-10-12&number=257&display=allvotes (the ones that voted no). There are a lot of familiar names on that list; David Cameron, George Osborne, Ken Clarke, Boris Johnson, Andrew Lansley, Oliver Letwin, Sir George Young, Alan Duncan & many more.

There was also a fair few who sought to undermine the bill by allowing siblings to be eligible for civil partnerships http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2004-11-09&number=314&display=allvotes&sort=party (the ones that voted aye). Oh look William Hague.
5 Thursday, 08 October 2009 12:07
I don't know Kit, I think if the government had been committed to same-sex marriage from the start it could have easily been achieved. The Spanish government had to fight against the Catholic Church on the issue but they still managed it.

I'm not sure civil unions are always a 'stepping stone' toward marriage equality, at least they aren't in Britain's case. There's nothing stopping the government from legalising gay marriage now, but they won't do it because they feel that giving gay couples civil partnerships put an end to the matter.

I think same-sex marriage will eventually be legal in Britain but unfortunately I can't see it happening for at least 10 years if not more.
4 Thursday, 08 October 2009 03:27
I want to endorse Alex's comments regarding the importance of the semantic difference (& the motives of a Mail reader in raising the point) as well as dwell on "do what they should have done in the first place". I wholeheartedly agree that in principle, there should be equality even in terms of semantics, and I would support such a move myself. However, I can also see the pragmatic reasons for the distinction.

Consider Proposition 8. Marriage was the issue, which helped build a coalition of opposition to equality. Even supposedly 'progressive' politicians like Barack Obama oppose same-sex marriage, yet claim to support civil unions.

Unfortunately, more often than not, it is best to avoid travelling at full speed so that you don't unduly rock the boat. Guaranteeing the rights that civil partnerships confer was a substantial step (if you can forgive the mixed metaphor). By opting for the 'soft-option' Labour ensured greatly improved gay-rights whilst ensuring as little opposition as possible.

Although the symbolism could be stronger, the substance of the Civil Partnership Act is strong. Perhaps if the government had gone for both substantive & symbolic equality we might not have made the gains we have today. It has helped to normalise same-sex relationships and bring broader cultural acceptance, which may well result in the eventual acceptance of same-sex marriages in the UK. Indeed, in several countries civil unions have been a stepping stone.
Gah
3 Wednesday, 07 October 2009 11:48
Looks like the Mail have taken these odious views onboard. Today's frontpage puts 'husband' in inverted commas.
2 Wednesday, 07 October 2009 07:48
The original set of comments got taken down, which included stuff like "Without wishing to be offensive, he will regret this for all eternity". I thought that meant the Mail had realised what a bad idea it was. But no. It just meant there was room for a new set of hateful shite later in the day.
1 Tuesday, 06 October 2009 21:24
Although I agree for the large part that anyone insisting on saying, "They weren't married! They were civilly united!" at any opportunity is a twat, the problem is that they are right. The government could end the argument once-and-for-all if they do what they should have done in the first place before deciding to placate homophobes, and upgrade civil partnerships to marriage. Not the separate-but-equal-rights arrangement we have now; proper integration and true equality just as the laws of Spain, South Africa, Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway have and soon quite feasibly Nepal and Uruguay will have too.

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